Broadband, Laptop and the Toilet

[Eyerex]

Hello all

I'm after setting up broadband around the house but not to sure where to start hope to have a laptop soon so i want to use it anywhere in the house plus out in the garden so where do i start.....ps wires = Bad..

[tarzan99]

Wireless is the way to go mate. I would place the wireless router somewhere on the ground floor if you intend to use it in the garden (works for me anyway...). Guess you will be writing some really shitty mails soon :dead: ;)

[analogue40]

Bought one of these for my mums house so my sis and her can have net on both laptop and desktop. Good value, and i like the D-Link gear, got switches/APs of theirs too, although some people don't like them as they might not be the most friendly, but i've always found my way after a look around the menus.

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Prefs/Shop1/images/products/G604tbun.jpg
?65.20

D-Link DSL-G604T 54Mbp Wireless ADSL Router w/ DWL-G650+ Laptop Card (http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=1095&CategoryID=80&ShopGroupID=38)

If all you need is an access point, then i use this one at work and at home -

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Prefs/Shop1/images/products/dwl-2000ap+.jpg
?36.36 + Card seperate (http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=58&ShopGroupID=8&Alt=Yes)

D-Link DWL-2000AP+ AirPlusXtremeG+ 54Mbps Wireless Access Point (http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ShopGroupID=8&CategoryID=57&ProductID=769)

[pinky]

We've got a Netgear wireless router etc, which is now working great (after teething problems at first) The laptop has mobile centrino which is great too. So you can imagine how it works in this house. My husband on our PC, my daughter on hers and me on the laptop. How sad can you get???

[Eyerex]

Thanks for the info just a little one would it be worth getting the D-Link AirPremier AG DWL-7100AP Tri-Mode which is about ?90

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/180/www3wb.jpg

The D-Link AirPremier AG DWL-7100AP is a tri-mode, dualband wireless Access Point that provides the most expanded user bandwidth available in an AP. Hundreds of wireless clients can connect to this AP using any one of its 19 non-overlapping channels to transfer data at speeds never before achievable in a wireless device. The DWL-7100AP operates seamlessly and simultaneously in both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz frequency spectrums supporting the 802.11b and the newer, faster 802.11a and 802.11g wireless standards. For advanced users that already use 802.11b devices, the DWL-7100AP is a great way to expand an existing network. It enables more users to communicate with one another, access data and the Internet. Now, you can have an AP that will compliment your existing network and protect the investment you made when you provided the convenience of wireless networking.

- Up to 108Mbps
- Enhanced Security Features
- 802.11g, 802.11b, 802.11a Compatible
- 4 operational modes

With this about ?60

http://img151.echo.cx/img151/1922/aaaa4qq.jpg

D-Link AirXpert DWL-AG650 TriMode Dualband Wireless CardBus Adapter

The D-Link Air Xpert DWL-AG650 wireless CardBus adapter is a high-performance, versatile and necessary PC networking solution for companies that need to quickly expand or reconfigure their wireless networks as their organization grows. This tri-mode, dualband network card inserts into your notebook/laptop PC to provide you a versatile way to wirelessly connect to any one of three available wireless networks -- 802.11b and the newer, faster 802.11g and 802.11a that operate in two discrete, non-interfering frequency bands, 2.4GHz and 5GHz.

- 802.11a/b/g industry standard
- Dual 5GHz and 2.4GHz frequency bands
- 5 times faster than 802.11b

Or is it a bit over the top for my needs...

[Eyerex]

Thing i remembered is that my ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe comes with a Wi-Fi slot
so would that be the best way to go...

##More Here## (http://www.asus.com/products/mb/event/wifiHome/overview.html)

http://img122.echo.cx/img122/4699/asus6ko.jpg

http://uk.asus.com/999/images/products/175/01.gif ASUS Wi-Fi slot (http://www.asus.com/products/mb/event/wifiHome/index.html)
The Wi-Fi slot (http://www.asus.com/products/mb/event/wifiHome/index.html) is specifically designed for the ASUS Wireless LAN add-on card (ex. WiFi-b? to set up an environment for home Wireless LAN. The ASUS WiFi-b?add-on card bundles the exclusive Software AP (Access Point) to save the extra cost of an hardware AP. In addition, the card comes with user-friendly utilities and applications that allow quick connection to notebooks, PDAs and other WLAN peripherals. The Wi-Fi slot (http://www.asus.com/products/mb/event/wifiHome/index.html) supports the 802.11g standard for future upgrades. (Note: The WiFi-b?card with software AP has to be purchased separately)

[analogue40]

The air premier is only overkill if you won't use it, and personally i'd stick with the external 3rd party A/P as you'll be stuck when you upgrade/change mobos.

[Eyerex]

I may go for the ASUS card as i don't think i will update pc for a few more years "my name isn't analogue or lothodon" :lol: Only problem i have is finding somewhere to buy one...

[analogue40]

I may go for the ASUS card as i don't think i will update pc for a few more years "my name isn't analogue or lothodon" :lol: Only problem i have is finding somewhere to buy one...

huh, so doesn't everyone change motherboards on a quarterly basis?

[Eyerex]

:lol: analogue you don't know where i could buy the asus card as i've looked everywhere....

[analogue40]

Asus WiFi-b 802.11b Wireless LAN Card (http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/product.php?productid=17283) wow only ?5.90 ?6.93 inc.VAT

edit- looking for the 'g' now

[Eyerex]

Just found it on that overclock site only ?6.93 "sweet"

[analogue40]

the 802.11g card is standard PCI so no benefit over any other pci wifi card, go with the b, ?6 can't argue with that! (even aria who are usually very cheap want over ?10 for it)

[Eyerex]

edit- looking for the 'g' now

What's the "g"

[analogue40]

g is the 802.11g card, 54Mbps data rate as opposed to 11Mbps

[Eyerex]

With the standard card 11Mbps will i get the full speed of my broadband over that.....

[analogue40]

yes, i think you have 512Kbps, which is 0.5Mbps, so even if you had 8Mb broadband you'd still be okay.

edit - we so shoulda went i the chat room to sort this lol oh well

[Eyerex]

Big thanks for the help will place order later. Msn Messenger , Chat room all in one week what ever next... :lol:

[y2k103]

Eyerex, I did try the Asus WiFi, I'm sorry to say, it was too slow for me. But everyone is different. It mite work out just fine for you. :cool:

[Eyerex]

Will give it a go as it's only cheap funny thing is it cost me ?6.05 just for Shipping :lol:

[Eyerex]

Just got email to say it's coming "love the web" just need the laptop now :D May have to pop up to Victoria train station and say i've lost my laptop on the 4:15 to somewhere and get a free one...:rolleyes:

[analogue40]

Just got email to say it's coming "love the web" just need the laptop now :D May have to pop up to Victoria train station and say i've lost my laptop on the 4:15 to somewhere and get a free one...:rolleyes:


tell them you lost my 3500+ venice a64 too ;)

[Eyerex]

It came today :-) just need the other bit now . . . . . . . . .The laptop which i will order next week.

[Eyerex]

"noob" Q will a wi-fi-b talk to a wi-fi g card. The b is in the pc and the g will be in the laptop....

[y2k103]

Yup ....... but only @ the "B" speed. Shouldn't be a problem @ all. :cool:

[Eyerex]

Cheers :D

[Eyerex]

First problem i'm using the asus network software problem is there not finding each other when i do a search...

[Eyerex]

Think i've got it now something to do with the genric host which i had blocked...

[analogue40]

you aren't making this post from in the toilet are you? :dead: :shocked:

[Eyerex]

Not to sure how i got it working but it is, writing this message on it "thank god" analogue i have sent you the pic's ;)

[Eyerex]

Just a little one how do you get files across from pc to laptop...

[analogue40]

Make sure both systems are in the same workgroup, right click my computer, properties, computername, change.
Then in control panel under network settings run the network setup wizard, after that right click on any folder and on the sharing tab choose to share folder on the network.

[Eyerex]

Cheers...

[Eyerex]

Next job i have a nebula Tv card which you can run as a server which i hope i can send over the wi fi see pic below
From what i've read it can be sent as web page, have tried this by opening ie on laptop and entering the client address (see below) but it's not finding anything, so am i from the pic below entering the right thing...

http://img257.echo.cx/img257/3006/yyy4ta.jpg

[MrJoshua]

well 127.0.0.1 is actually a loop back, its not a valid IP address, the ip address should be something like 192.168.1.100 (subnet mask 255.255.255.0) or 10.0.0.10(subnet mask 255.0.0.0) just both systems must be on the same subnet :)
so tell us what is the IP addy of each puter on the network? and which system has the server and which has the client?
cheers :) :)

[Eyerex]

Thing i did in the end was to put in the ip address of the PC into ie on laptop with the extra numbers of the web interface and i got below only thing i have to workout is to get full screen....
What below gives me is i can record any tv channel i want if i'm anywhere in the world thats handy :confused: So if i'm in LA and i forget eastenders i can run to a internet cafe and set my pc to record ...

Pic below from laptop
http://img123.echo.cx/img123/51/kif15451ef.jpg

[Eyerex]

I don't have a clue how i got it to work but it is, only thing is i don't think my wi-fi is up to the job as the pic keeps breaking up..

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/359/kif15471je.jpg

[analogue40]

you're gonna need a constant 4-5Mbps at least, and with packet loss/collision maybe 802.11b isn't up to it. See if you can lower the bitrate of the stream on the server.

[Eyerex]

May have something to do that i was sending the full transport stream over the wi-fi, did try watching a DVD over it and the pic quality was ok just that it kept jumping..must say that divx are ok :D ps i have got it setup now as ad-hoc does it make much of a difference for what i've read it makes everything easier to setup as it runs more like a peer 2 peer

[analogue40]

May have something to do that i was sending the full transport stream over the wi-fi, did try watching a DVD over it and the pic quality was ok just that it kept jumping..must say that divx are ok :D ps i have got it setup now as ad-hoc does it make much of a difference for what i've read it makes everything easier to setup as it runs more like a peer 2 peer

Wasn't completely sure myself so looked it up, what you said is right:

Ad hoc mode:

An Ad-hoc network allows each device to communicate directly with each other. There is no central Access Point controlling device communication. Ad-hoc networks are only able to communicate with other Ad-hoc devices, they are not able to communicate with any Infrastructure devices or any other devices connected to a wired network. In addition, Ad-hoc mode security is less sophisticated compared to an Infrastructure mode network.

Infrastructure mode:

An Infrastructure mode network requires the use of an Access Point. The Access Point controls Wireless communication and offers several important advantages over an Ad-hoc network. For example, a Infrastructure based network supports increased levels of security, potentially faster data transmission speeds and integration with a wired network.

[Nastyboy132]

i know joe louie has viewed dvd's and other media files over his wireless network...

[Eyerex]

Hope the person below has broadband i'm the top one
PS I think it's illegal to login to another network so won't be doing...

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/121/03/Untitled1.jpg

[freonchill]

oh thats hardcore!
but yea - if you are getting image fuxkups then its probably the 802.11b (11mpbs) not up to it, like analogue said; maybe you can borrow his 802.11g goodies and test that out

[Eyerex]

I need a longer one

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/123/13/WiFi.jpg

As you can see the wire from the aerial is not very long plus as the card is at the bottom of the box it ends up only being about 3 ft off the ground, so i was wondering will i need special type of wire to re-wire the aerial to get it a lot higher will it need to be a certain ohm. I what to do this as my connection gos up and down a bit when i have the laptop up stairs...

[analogue40]

I think you can use high quality co-ax like the stuff sat tv uses, not compltely sure though, will see if i can find out.

[Eyerex]

Do you know what connection they are, will see if i can find a extension lead..

[analogue40]

Some of this Digital Coax (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=34993&doy=5m5) should do, and from your picture it looks likeone of these type of F - connector (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=10447&doy=5m5) / plugs (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=26641&doy=5m5)

might be worth taking it down to maps with you or measuring the diameter.

[Jim]

Gents,

This has been fun to watch. My 2 cents is to build a wireless network around the "g" standard to allow for maximum file transfer. If you use all D-Link High Speed devices you can obtain 108 Kbps between them for file transfers (or in your case streaming media :nodhead2: )

Their latest Wireless Router:

http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=385

has extended it's range (to supposedly 8X standard).

If you can adjust the position of the Antenna on both the Router and PC (one at a time of course) that can impact the signal strength significantly. If that doesn't work try ( but don get silly :razz: ) to move one box and then the other. Sometimes only a couple inches (or feet) does the trick. You need to remember these devices are impacted by what's between them. The less obstacles (including Vases, Oranaments, walls, etc.) the better. They are very much a "line of sight" device so mentally draw a line (tough for Nasty :lol: ) from the Router's antenna to the PC's. Eliminate any "debris" and then adjust the antenna.

As far as extending the antenna, there are ones with longer cables but I haven't had any real sucess with them. Repositioning the Router / PC / Antenna is far more effective. Extending the cable introduces losses at the connection points on a terribly weak signal.

I hope this is helpful.

[analogue40]

This has been fun to watch. My 2 cents is to build a wireless network around the "g" standard to allow for maximum file transfer. If you use all D-Link High Speed devices you can obtain 108 Kbps between them for file transfers (or in your case streaming media :nodhead2: )
.

No doubt jim, i suggested a D-Link too, it was down to the VERY cheap price of the asus PCI A/P i think.

[MrJoshua]

you can obtain 108 Kbps between them for file transfers
sorry to be pedantic :) is that spose to read 108Megabits?
cheers :) :)

[Eyerex]

Have to say the asus wifi add-on works very well for the money and as a first step it's great..But with most things you get what you pay for. It's very much like a am radio so i spend much of my time with my hand on the laptop and the other in the air..:lol:

Thing i may do in the future is go for a setup with a wifi setup that plugs into the phone line then sends out my broadband to the PC and laptop but not to sure about that yet and what way to turn..and what setup you have to buy.

Would i need to buy a Router

[Jim]

:oops: Mr. J.,

That is supposed to be 108 Mbps :oops: - Sorry.

As far as networking multiple units together I find it more secure to buy a Router than a simple ethernet Hub (sometimes called Access Points now) as the Router has a built in Hardware Firewall. The defference in cost is not significant in the long run. In this market (Vancouver) Routers dominate almost all sales of this type. :nodhead2:

[Eyerex]

Change of plan is there much difference between these cards there about the same price but which one to go for......ps i know one comes with a long one..

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/7517/dwlg5204zz.jpg

The D-Link AirPlus Xtreme G DWL-G520 Wireless PCI card is an enhanced 802.11g high-performance, wireless card for desktop computers. This card supports high-speed wireless networking of up to 108Mbps, while providing seamless interoperability with all existing 802.11b and 802.11b+ wireless equipment. Together with better security, this card is the ideal wireless solution that offers an upgrade to a fast, new technology while protecting your past investments through interoperability with your current network equipment.

- Up to 108Mbps*
- Works with 802.11b Devices
- Great for Video Streaming
- 802.11g, 802.11b Compatible
- Increased Security with 802.1X and WPA

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/2486/dwlag5202ak.jpg

The D-Link Air Xpert DWL-AG520 wireless PCI card is a high-performance, versatile and necessary desktop PC networking solution for companies that need to quickly expand or reconfigure their wireless networks as their organization grows. This trimode, dualband network card inserts into your desktop PC to provide you a versatile way to wirelessly connect to any one of three available wireless networks -- 802.11b and the newer, faster 802.11g and 802.11a that operate in two discrete, noninterfering frequency bands, 2.4GHz and 5GHz.

- Versatility to use 2.4GHz or 5GHz frequency when needed
- Connect to any 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g wireless network
- Enhanced Security Features

ps once i have this sorted i will sort out the pic's of me and the laptop on the toilet ;)

[MrJoshua]

Well they both appear to support the same standards so thats good, the only real difference i see is that one has an external antenna, which could be handy for boosting signal strenths without having to move ya rig :) OH BTW cant wait for the pics of you sitting on the dunny :/
cheers :) :)

[Jim]

I agree with Mr. J. but offer I'd bet the D-Link Air Xpert DWL-AG520 unit is far more $$. ;)